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2017 Season
As with every year, if you want changes please speak up.
Rules are made and passed based on majority of votes NOT majority of league members. So, if you are not happy with the process or results of the votes, start lobbying for your rule change submission and a seat on the Executive Committee.
Be part of the process and understand that just because you see it one way, does not mean that the rule will be accepted by the majority of the voters.
To add your name on/off Executive Committee ballot and submit your three nominations for the committee click here.
By Bob Coppock, October 11, 2016 @ 4:30 pm
The sole purpose of the forward tees is to provide a means for everybody to be able to compete. Having low handicap persons playing from those tees (can do if 65) destroys that competition. I would like to create a local rule that states if you have a handicap less than 15, you can not play from the forward tees, because you do not have to with that handicap.
By Ron Williams, October 15, 2016 @ 6:04 am
Sorry – can’t agree with this proposal. Whether this rule should have ever been passed is questionable, but it was based on the assumption that a 65 year old could not hit the ball as far as the younger player. Obviously, a SKILLED 65 year old can hit the ball as far as the younger player. Handicaps are adjusted (lowered) when teeing from the shorter tees. Somewhere along the line, we high handicappers have to simply play better golf.
By Derek, January 5, 2017 @ 7:59 am
I propose we do away with the yardage rule for tees. We use the “club” tees for each course we play and then seniors can adjust from there. Most courses have club tees, and we play so many of the same courses it will be easy to figure out.
By Kevin Abraham, January 11, 2017 @ 12:57 pm
For league play, I suggest that members must declare for the entire season if they are going to play the forward tees.
By Kevin Abraham, January 13, 2017 @ 1:00 pm
I agree with Derek’s proposal for use of club tees and removing the yardage rule.
By Ron Williams, January 14, 2017 @ 9:12 am
What, exactly, are “club tees”. Can’t say that I’ve ever seen a universal identification on scorecards that identifies “club tees”. It seems vague. Not saying I’m against “club tees”, just would like to know what we’re considering. Determining tees by yardage has never been a true measure of where we should be playing. Always thought the slope was a more accurate tool.
By Ron Williams, January 14, 2017 @ 9:15 am
What is the reasoning behind declaring tees for the entire season? If I’m in a foursome and three of the players are playing the longer tees, I may wish to play along with them. That understand why this is an issue.
By Steve, January 14, 2017 @ 9:52 am
Kevin, I can’t imagine why you’d suggest a player commit to a set of tees at the beginning of the year? Can you explain the reason you’d like to see that suggestion approved?
By John D, January 14, 2017 @ 10:07 am
I agree w/Derek and Kevin seniors must declare for the season. We also need speed of play adjustments lost ball that did not have a provisional ball played, must take 2 strokes and drop in vicinity of lost ball. Once putting commences must continue to putt out unless stepping on a players line, or the player states that standing on his line will not bother him.
By Mike Fuller, January 14, 2017 @ 11:46 am
I think we should play members tees, or one tee box up from there. Age is not a factor. Everyone has the choice to move up on a given day. This will eliminate the cherry picking that is currently afforded to seniors on some courses wherevthey can knock off 6-7 hundred yards for 1 or 2 stokes. The down side of this is that on some courses, eveyone in the league will decide to play up to not be put at a disadvantage. I could also support everyone playing from members tees. If we decide to keep our rule that only 65 and older can move up, then I agree with Kevin that you must move up for every league round.
By Ron Williams, January 16, 2017 @ 5:07 pm
We had the “2 stroke penalty and dropping in the vicinity of the lost ball” rule in the past and got rid of it. Surprising how many can lose 2 balls back-to-back off the tee. Don’t understand why everyone is always so anxious to get through a round in record time. If you want to speed up play, go directly to your ball and be ready to hit when it’s your turn. Might also back off on some of that pre-swing routine you saw watching the PGA on TV. Just because it works for them doesn’t mean it works for you – obviously!!!
By Derek Riepma, January 17, 2017 @ 7:29 am
The “club tees” are very easy to find out, just ask the course, almost every course I have ever played has their club tees or member tees.
By Derek Riepma, January 17, 2017 @ 7:32 am
I believe Kevin’s reason is because the seniors are picking and choosing on how much of an advantage the tees are. Some actually try and look st some of the holes to see if they are actually the yardage on the card. Non seniors don’t get any choice they play the tees assigned for that day.
By Kevin Abraham, January 17, 2017 @ 10:20 am
Steve/All
I believe that comments from John D (Jan 14), Mike F (Jan 14) and Derek (Jan17) pretty much explain why I would like to see seniors declare for the entire league season. I don’t have any problem with members, that qualify, playing the senior tees. However, I don’t feel like it should be a decision made based on the advantage to be gained by the senior member. I do not want the senior tee option to go away.
By Steve, January 25, 2017 @ 10:13 am
I understand the discontent some members have with all seniors being able to play from forward tees. Still, I have a few issues with restricting the rule.
– I don’t want to see us start fine tuning rules to address one or two specific individuals. It seems like a very ‘slippery slope’ to me.
– there are a few courses I simply can’t compete on when played from the regular tees and I don’t want to be consigned to just contributing to the pot. (And, yes I know my contributions are often less than helpful!)
– quite often the course is set up such that a supposed 500-600 yard ‘advantage’ is more like 100-150 yards and I’m still assessed the additional handicap/points.
Just my thoughts.
By Mike F, January 26, 2017 @ 9:19 am
Dues and end of season event. A number of years ago, we changed the format of our end of year event to 36 holes, and a numner of years later we changed our dues to $20 to cover league prize money, our tourney, and cookout.
As with every year we have 5-7 members that cannot play in our end of year event, or do not wish to play 36 holes. This year because all prizes were paid for with league funds, guests were not eligible to win league money used for prizes.
I would like to hear fro league memebers to see if they are interested in changing things up a bit. What if we stop called our end of year event a tournament, and just call it our end of year event. We drop the golf back to 18 holes, we eliminate a lot of computer time, and stressing over getting 2 rounds in for the day. It will be a round of golf and a social. League dues drop to $10, and all golfers and guest who attend the end of season event will pay a fee to cover food and prizes for the day. We still pay in advance once the committee determines what the cost will be, so a no show, does affect finances.
By Clark, January 26, 2017 @ 8:54 pm
Just finished reading this year’s suggestions and I’m still literally laughing out loud. Are you guys scared of a bunch of little OLD men stealing your lunch money?
1. I’m not particularly fond of the handicap system, i feel it greatly benefits the higher handicap players and i believe that if you look at who won and the number of times they won it’ll bear me out. But it’s the rules.
2. Same for moving up a tee or not, it’s the rules. I wasn’t crazy about it when it was first introduced but it was the rule. If you want to do away with it altogether, fine, but I don’t believe you’ll get the votes.
3. Also I haven’t to this point surveyed a course to see where the tees are set on a given day, I’ve trusted the scorecard, but if I did no rule would be broken. Sometimes it helps others not so much.
4. Some players hit the ball a little further than some of the others. That’s true weather they’re playing from the senior tees or the club tees. Are we going to look for a way to punish players playing from the club tees that happen to hit it a little longer as well or are they just better and we have to accept that? seems a little unfair to just pick on the OLD guys.
To finish, we always seem to have some members trying to legislate wins rather than just putting in a little time and improving their games. If you want to win more, get better. If you just want it to be completely and perfectly even, pull the winner out of a hat.
I’m done, good luck to you all!
much. It’s a gamble.
By Kevin Abraham, February 1, 2017 @ 12:15 pm
Typical Clark response… nothing else to add
By Ron Williams, February 5, 2017 @ 9:03 am
Some talk about doing away with using yardage to determine the tees and using the “club” tees. Not really a problem with that. Fact is – if we are going to use anything to determine from where we should play, it’s the slope. This is the number that dictates the difficulty of the course. A long course is not necessarily harder than a shorter course. Width of the fairway, water, bunkers, size of the greens, and yardage are just a few of the factors considered when determining the difficulty of a course. How we determine the “appropriate” slope for our league would have to be evaluated, but it makes more sense than the yardage. Once that number is determined, and the appropriate tees are identified, the league can then decide if shorter tees for the over-65 members is an issue.
By Bob Coppock, February 5, 2017 @ 10:33 am
I would like to bring back the old point system for determining the league winner.In my opinion I think the system keeps everyone in the game until the final week, without being eliminating due to a bad round. Depending on the nbr of players points are awarded to the max of 10. Ex #players 6 1st place gets 6 and subt 1 for 2 thru 6. #players 13 1st pl get 10 and subt 1 for 2 thru 10 with the remaining players getting 1 point.
By sscngolf, September 15, 2017 @ 8:53 am
Vote now until 20 September, 2017 for EoS Tournament date/location. Link to survey form located at sscngolf.com
By Palmer, September 21, 2017 @ 12:51 pm
Nice september outing with the SSCN golfers.
Great catching up with Gents and talking ODU football as well.
Golf was Followed by a few Cool bevs at Ron’s on the course. Thanks to all and enjoy the fall!
By Derek, November 9, 2017 @ 10:02 am
I think we should look at bets. I know they are not part of the rules so I am just on here to see if maybe we can change them I want to talk about “LOW NET”. Last year only 2 times did someone win low net with a handicap under 15. I have not one a low net in over 2 years. When I bring up we should change the bet to $5, and have a Low Gross winner, I hear “HELL NO I WOULD NEVER WIN IT” well now you know how anyone with a low handicap feels. Then I get “It’s only a $1 what’s the big deal” my point exactly, it’s only another $1 so what is the big deal??? It is a hell of a lot easier for a 30 handicapper to shoot a 94 than it is for me to shoot a 72, and that is what I would have to shoot in order to beat him. Whenever I bring this up Bill is one of the loudest oppositions to it, and he actually won 2 low grosses last year!!! I think we should split the Low Net money between the Low Net and the Low Gross. Like I said I know this is not a rule issue, so it is not something we can put up to a vote under the rules, but it makes sense, like I wrote earlier out of the 25 league rounds only 2 times did someone under 15 win. No one with a handicap under 11 won any at all! Or we can do a low net for 15 and under and a low net for 16 or higher, 2 separate pots.
By Derek, November 9, 2017 @ 10:50 am
Or let’s just have a low net and a low gross winner and they split the money do no one is putting in extra money.
By Bob Coppock, March 13, 2018 @ 2:03 pm
I would like to bring back the old point system for determining the league winner.In my opinion I think the system keeps everyone in the game until the final week, without being eliminating due to a bad round. Depending on the nbr of players points are awarded to the max of 10. Ex #players 6 1st place gets 6 and subt 1 for 2 thru 6. #players 13 1st pl get 10 and subt 1 for 2 thru 10 with the remaining players getting 1 point.
By Bob Coppock, March 13, 2018 @ 2:09 pm
I would like to create a local rule stating if there is a foot print in a sand bunker not left by the current player and verified by the other team members, should be able to rank a spot and place the ball where it lies. Remember the pros never have this problem, so why should we be penalized for someone else being lazy.
By Bob Coppock, March 13, 2018 @ 2:10 pm
I would like to create a local rule stating if there is a foot print in a sand bunker not left by the current player and verified by the other team members, should be able to rake a spot and place the ball where it lies. Remember the pros never have this problem, so why should we be penalized for someone else being lazy.
By Bob Coppock, March 13, 2018 @ 2:19 pm
I agree with Derek, the low net should be split between course handicaps 15.9 and under and 16 and over and do away with the talk of low gross.