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2023
2024 Season
League rules and new Executive Committee voting shall be completed within 30 days after the completion of End of Season Tournament – 27 October, 2023.
With that being said, a yay/nay vote was taken at the EoS get together to keep the existing Executive Committee members. The vote was in favor of keeping the current committee members so no survey will be needed to select new members.
Only thing needed from league members are your thoughts on any rule changes.
By Rudy, October 4, 2023 @ 10:38 am
Recommend that we cap the max for a hole at a triple bogey.
By mike f, October 16, 2023 @ 3:06 pm
If we were not playing for low net, and using net scores to determine league champs, I might go along with it. But, based upon betting and league standings, it doesn’t pass the stiff test. If someone has a 36 handicap and shoots 110, they record a net if 74, recorded for the day and league standings. Their is a good chance based upon the pickup at triple bogey rule, the score could have been 105 or net 69, recorded for the round and league standings. It really doesn’t speed up play, as most of these bad holes involve penalty stokes. Picking up will also not impact handicaps which would level the playing field over time.
By Bob Coppock, October 4, 2023 @ 7:21 pm
I disagree with the max per hole at a triple bogey. USGA gives us 6 strokes over par for max, and that is what the handicap adjustment per hole is all about. This recommendation would not affect the low handicaps as much as distorting the handicap of the high handicappers like myself. I would like to have a true handicap of what took place on the golf course, and be able to improve on that handicap.
By Roger, October 16, 2023 @ 8:51 pm
Agree with Bob. Already have a six stroke limit. Not sure that a triple bogey max gets us much since I think most of the time putting or near the green is where we hit max scores.
By Ron, October 5, 2023 @ 11:38 am
I would agree to Rudy’s triple bogey suggestion if it resulted in -2 scoring opposed to the current -1. Changing to triple bogey max would definitely favor the high handicappers.
By Rob Ploeger, October 7, 2023 @ 7:05 am
I agree with Rudy on the triple bogey max. A blowup hole is not the norm for most golfers and I think that recording more than a triple bogey artificially inflates one’s overall handicap. In league play, an artificially high handicap favors that golfer because it gives him/her a lower net score.
By Bob, October 12, 2023 @ 7:38 pm
I would like to recommend a local rule to give relief for anyone that hits into the woods and the golf ball lands on a root, giving a reasonable distance away from all tree roots. Yes I know you shouldn’t hit into the woods, but it happens. This will eliminate broken clubs or broken bones.
By Rob, October 24, 2023 @ 3:17 pm
I agree with Bob concerning balls sitting on roots in the woods and getting relief. Broken clubs are bad enough, but sprained wrists or broken bones would put most of us out of commission for a good while.
By Rudy, October 13, 2023 @ 8:16 am
I concur with Bob’s recommendation. I would also like to include the dead areas in the middle of the fairways. Hitting your ball in the fairways (not a common practice for me) should not be a penalty because the course is in bad shape.
By Alex W, October 16, 2023 @ 8:16 pm
Pick up after 4 over and call it day. We adjusted the bets already based on HCPs which favored higher HCPs so not sure why this would be any different.
Personally it does not matter to me cause I am out playing golf however time of play has continue to increase over the years. I am not sure if that was the reasoning or not behind the max Triple bogey..
By John Greene, October 16, 2023 @ 9:02 pm
Agree with triple bogey. The Wedn group I have played with 15 years had double par for years; changed to minor grumbling; has worked fine 3 years. Also agree Cabot hitting, or not hitting off roots. Who wants to break a club? Last, someone suggested a “super senior” (i.e., over 75) tee. Maybe? None of us is getting any younger!
By Bob, October 17, 2023 @ 7:52 pm
I would like to propose that we add a rule for Seniors over the age of 75 to be able to play forward 2 sets of tees from the member’s set of tees(usually white), and if that is accepted, since we will reduce the distance, I would like to suggest we limit the normal handicap for all bets to be less than 36. This will not be a course handicap, but the normal handicap.
By Andi, October 18, 2023 @ 7:39 am
I think we should play lift clean and place in the fairways because half of the courses we play aren’t maintained the best hitting a fairway wouldn’t leave you on dirt (ex: Bide a Wee) and this would also help out if you land in a divot.
By Doug, October 18, 2023 @ 10:45 am
I agree with Mike that we leave our max set where it is. I see it as another attempt to give the higher handicappers more edge. It’s already hard enough for the lower handicappers with the world handicap system we are using where last week I was an 11.1 playing to an 8. Somehow none of that has ever made much sense to me.
By Ronald Williams, October 20, 2023 @ 3:46 pm
I have queried USGA and there is no limit on the number of strokes a player may take on any hole. Calculating handicaps limits the number of strokes allowed determined by the golfer’s current handicap. The “6 over par” rule was initiated by our league 20+ years ago when we were utilizing a different system to calculate league standings and such. I can’t remember why we decided on “6”, but it had something to do with posted handicap of a hole and the possible blow-out score that might have been entered. I don’t know the full ramifications of altering our current system, but I trust it will have an impact on handicaps, course handicaps, net scores, and league standings. Surely, this is not an attempt to speed up the game. Until I hear a good reason, I suggest that we continue as is.
By Bob, October 20, 2023 @ 4:43 pm
I agree with Andi that the winter months are not as good as other months, so we should make some allowances.
By Doug, October 23, 2023 @ 4:59 pm
I agree to lift, clean, and place in your fairway in the off season. I don’t get a lot from just rolling the ball, it’s the mud on it that bothers me.
By Rob, October 24, 2023 @ 3:22 pm
I agree with Andi and Doug about playing in the winter on most courses. Our swings are bad enough without having to deal with bad lies in the fairway. Still, if you go outside of the fairway you just have to deal with the lie, unless the ball is sitting next to a tree root (another proposed rule change).
By Ronald Williams, October 21, 2023 @ 12:10 pm
I have queried and there is NO limit to the number of strokes a golfer can take on a hole. Calculating handicaps is another story. Strokes allowed towards handicaps is dictated by your current handicap. The “6 over par” rule was established by our league over 20 years ago when we were using a different system to calculate net scores and league standings. I don’t recall the circumstances of why we used “6”, but I was a part of that group that came up with that number. I do not know the entire ramifications to go with the triple bogey pickup, but I can’t believe that it will benefit the higher handicapper. I hope this not merely trying to speed up the game. Who’s in a hurry???
By Ron, October 26, 2023 @ 8:25 am
Recommend that we return to our previous rule that a player must have a 36 or less course handicap to compete in league rounds. Certainly, that player will continue to join in the round, but not as a part of stableford or low net.
By Bob Coppock, October 27, 2023 @ 12:49 pm
Since the USGA has changed the way we calculate handicaps, I have failed to inform the League members that we did not update our Rule #3 handicaps.
I am recommending we update part of the Rule #3 handicaps as follows. The League maximum handicap will be the course handicap not to exceed the max of 36. To qualify for League competition the player must have a course index of 36 or less.
By Doug Hovermale, January 9, 2024 @ 8:43 am
Hey guys I just retired from NIWC and I would like to join the league. I have played with some of you guys before and have always enjoyed playing. I will need to establish my handicap once I start playing. Who do I need to talk to about all of this? Thanks.
Doug
757-778-4708
By Rudy, May 30, 2024 @ 8:12 pm
Would like to propose a in season rules change/add. It seems that the courses are getting worse and worse on maintenance. Lack of grass in the fairway or “rough” should not be a penalty where the golfer has to play off concrete hard dirt. I propose that, same as root and sand rule,
If a ball is found resting on a no grass/ground area in the fairway or fairway edge, the player may (with agreement from other participants) move the ball. This ball movement should be treated as a free drop from a hazard, no closer to the hole.
By Mike F, September 21, 2024 @ 6:13 am
A couple of rule change suggestions.
1. Elimination the root rule. I have witnessed players given a free drop after they made a terrible shot and are able to Par a hole. The rules of golf already allow you to take an unplayable lie and take 1 stroke if your shot is impossible, or if you do not want to damage your equipment.
2. EOS tournament dates. A few years ago we moved the EOS from a 1 day 36 hole event to a two day, back to back Wednesday event. It was then changed to Wed/Fri due to some folks who work not wanting to go to the cookout then get up for work the next dat. Scheduling a Friday event for 16 – 24 players 6 to 8 weeks in advance on a Friday in late September or early October is a nightmare. Prime tournament time for courses in our area. I propose moving back to the Wed/Wed format, last Wednesday in September and 1st Wednesday in October.
By Rudy, September 25, 2024 @ 12:43 pm
Update rules to show last round of the season to be grouped based on standings. Worst to best
By Ron, September 26, 2024 @ 6:17 pm
I agree that we eliminate the “Root Rule”. If you’re uncomfortable with hitting off the roots, take the allowable unplayable rule.
Would also like to see all of the specifications regarding sand trap reliefs to be combined and read: Player may lift, clean, rake, and place the ball if the trap is not in acceptable condition. Fellow members of the group would have to agree that repair to the trap is appropriate.
By Rudy, September 30, 2024 @ 4:58 pm
Disagree with eliminating the Root Rule. If someone is abusing it, call him/her on it. We had the same concerns with the sand traps, and it has worked fine.
Agree that for both Root and Sand rules we add that “Fellow members of the group would have to agree” to movement of the ball.
By Bob Coppock, September 28, 2024 @ 10:56 am
First I agree with Mike that the last day of the Tournament on Friday has become a real issue for those that are scheduling, and now the cost has become an issue because it now falls in the weekend rates which are not acceptable. I would like to suggest that we use a Wed/Thur combination at the same course. This will eliminate Friday’s rates and having back to back rounds at the same course gives the scheduler a much better chance. In the event we end up without a host we could schedule the EOS party at the same course.
It has come to my attention that players are submitting scores outside of our League. In order to verify I propose a rule stating members MUST have at least one member playing the round for handicap calculation.
By Rudy, September 30, 2024 @ 5:05 pm
Agree with adding a rule where in order for a round to be calculated for league handicaps the outing must include at least one other league member.
By Mike F, October 15, 2024 @ 7:16 am
Disagree with disallowing rounds to be counted for handicap unless another league member is present. The bigger issue that we encounter is that league members do not report the rounds that they play outside of League, and their league handicap does not properly reflect their true handicap. It is hard to police players on reporting accurate scores outside of league. The game is suppose to be a game of honor and about half of our players play a significant about of round outside of league play. I think we may receive unintended consequences if we only count rounds that have more than ine league players.
By Doug, September 28, 2024 @ 12:12 pm
I 100% agree on the out of league play having at least one other member present to verify the score being submitted for handicap purposes! I am ok with Wed/Wed or Wed/Thurs for EOS, but it would eliminate anyone who comes to town to play and cannot stay long enough to play both rounds.
By Bpb Coppock, September 28, 2024 @ 3:35 pm
I am replying to Doug’s comment. When I said Wed/Thur at the same course, I also meant in the same week. This would mean players can play both in 1 week. This would be like the old 36 holes and party the same day, except now it would be expanded to two days.
By Bob Coppock, September 29, 2024 @ 2:22 pm
Doug, to clarify the Wed/Thur EOS combination I was referring to Wed and Thur of the same week, at the same course. This is almost like the 36 holes we used to play at the same course. This will accommodate any guests that might be playing.
By Doug, October 1, 2024 @ 10:45 am
I support the Wed/Thur play during the same week for EOS tournament.
By Bob Coppock, September 29, 2024 @ 3:39 pm
To eliminate some confusion about Wed/Thur combo EOS I was referring to Wed/Thur the same Week at the same course. This is like the 36 holes we used to play at the same course. This will allow guests to play in both of the rounds without paying the extra money for a Friday round and easier on the scheduler to schedule two rounds back to back.
By Rudy, September 30, 2024 @ 5:01 pm
Agree with changing the EoS to Wed/Thur of same week/course.
By mike f, October 15, 2024 @ 7:06 am
Agree